Author’s Note: This blog post has been expanded and clarified in my book Courtship in Crisis.
I grew up as a member of the homeschool community back when we were hiding from the cops and getting our textbooks from public school dumpsters. When I was a teenager, my friends started reading this new book called I Kissed Dating Goodbye. For months we could talk of little else. After reading it myself, I grew into as big an opponent of dating as you could find. Dating was evil and Courtship, whatever it was, was godly, good and Biblical.
My grandparents would often ask why I wasn’t dating in high school. I explained what courtship was and quoted Joshua Harris, chapter and verse. Their response surprised me.
“I don’t think courtship is a smart idea,” my grandfather said.
“How can you tell who you want to marry if you aren’t going out on dates?” my grandmother wondered every time the topic came up. I tried to convince them but to no avail. They both obstinately held to the position that courtship was a foolish idea.
Well, what did they know? They were public schooled. I ignored their advice on relationships, preferring to listen to the young people around me who were passionate advocates of courtship.
As I grew older, I started to speak at homeschool conferences and events. I talked with homeschool parents, students and alumni all over the country and started to see some challenges with making courtship work.
Some of the specific challenges I identified were:
- Identification (Finding that other person)
- Interaction (Spending time with the other person)
- Initiation (Starting the relationship)
So I founded PracticalCourtship.com. Its purpose: to instigate a national conversation about how to make courtship more practical. Visits and comments poured in from all over the country about how to make courtship work and why it did not work.
Each year I waited for courtship to start working and for my homeschool friends to start getting married. It never happened. Most of them are still single. Some have grown bitter and jaded. Then couples who did get married through courtship started getting divorced. I’m talking the kind of couples who first kissed at their wedding were filing for divorce.
This was not the deal!
The deal was that if we put up with the rules and awkwardness of courtship now we could avoid the pain of divorce later. The whole point of courtship was to have a happy marriage, not a high divorce rate.
So I humbled myself and took my grandmother out for dinner to hear why she thought courtship was a bad idea all those years ago. She had predicted the failure of courtship back in the 90s and I wanted to understand how and why.
Now let me define what I mean by “courtship”.
So what is courtship anyway?
After 20 years there still is no general consensus as to what courtship is. But here are the elements most conservative communities have in common:
- The man must ask the woman’s father’s permission before pursuing the woman romantically.
- High accountability (chaperones, monitored correspondence, etc).
- Rules about physical contact and purity. (The specific rules vary from community to community).
- The purpose of the courtship is marriage
- High relational intentionality and intensity
- High parental involvement. Fathers typically hold a “permission and control” role rather than the traditional “advice and blessing” role held by their fathers.
The Case for Traditional Dating
My grandmother grew up in a marginally Christian community. People went to church on Sunday, but that was the extent of their religious activity. They were not the Bible-reading, small-grouping, mission-tripping Christian young people common in evangelical churches today.
And yet her community of friends all got married and then stayed married for decades and decades. So what on earth were they doing that worked so well? Over dinner, my grandmother shared her story about what dating was like back in the 30s and 40s.
When my grandmother dated in middle school (yes, middle school) her parents had one primary rule for her.
The Primary Dating Rule: Don’t go out with the same guy twice in a row.
So if she went out for soda with Bob on Tuesday, she had to go to a movie with Bill on Thursday before she could go to the school dance with Bob on Saturday.
That sounded crazy to me. So, I asked her the rationale behind it. She explained that the lack of exclusivity helped them guard their hearts and kept things from getting too serious too quickly. The lack of exclusivity kept the interactions fun and casual. “The guys wouldn’t even want to kiss you!” She said.
The lack of exclusivity helped the girls guard their hearts and kept the boys from feeling entitled to the girl. How could a boy have a claim to her time, heart or body if she was going out with someone else later that week?
She went on to explain that by the time she graduated from high school, she had gone out on dates with over 20 different guys. This meant that by the time she was 17 years old she knew which Bob she wanted to marry. They got married and stayed married till my grandfather passed away half a century later.
“If I had only gone out with 3 or 4 guys I wouldn’t have known what I wanted in a husband,” she said.
It is not that her parents were uninvolved; it is that they played an advisory role, particularly as she entered high school and they relaxed the rules about not going steady.
The Difference Between “Dating” and “Going Steady”
She went on to explain that there used to be a linguistic differentiation between “dating” and “going steady”. “Going steady” meant you were going out with the same person multiple times in a row. It often had symbols like the girl wearing the guy’s letter jacket. This telegraphed to everyone at school that she was “off the market” and that she had a “steady beau”.
It seems that my great grandparents’ rule forbidding my grandmother from going out with the same guy twice in a row was a common rule in those days.
The Greatest Generation was encouraged to date and discouraged from going steady while in middle school.
This is different from my generation, which is encouraged to “wait until you are ready to get married” before pursuing a romantic relationship. This advice, when combined with the fact that “the purpose of courtship is marriage”, makes asking a girl out for dinner the emotional equivalent of asking for her hand in marriage.
I am not convinced that anyone is ever truly ready to get married. Readiness can become a carrot on a stick, an ideal that can never be achieved. Marriage will always be a bit like jumping into a pool of cold water. A humble realization that you are not ready and in need of God’s help may be the more healthy way to start a marriage.
As the decades moved on, our language and behavior changed. We stopped using the phrase “going steady” and changed “dating” to mean “going steady”. For example, we would now say “John and Sarah have been dating for 3 months.” when the Greatest Generation would have said “John and Sarah have been going steady for 3 months.”
We then started using new pejoratives like “dating around” and “playing the field” to describe what used to just be called “dating”. Each decade added more exclusivity, intensity, and commitment to dating and saw a subsequent rise in temptation and promiscuity.
It is easier to justify promiscuity when you are exclusively committed to just one person, even if that commitment is only a week old.
In the late 80s and early 90s this promiscuous culture reached its peak. People would “go steady” for just a few weeks and then move on to the next relationship. It was this “hookup and breakup” culture that the founders of courtship were reacting to.
But their proposed solution involved adding even more commitment, exclusivity and intensity, the very things that lead to the problem in the first place. This is why courtship is fundamentally flawed.
The courtship movement eliminated dating and replaced it with nothing.
Or, put another way, they replaced dating with engagement. The only tangible difference between an engagement and a courtship is the ring and the date.
Similarities between Courtship & Engagement:
- They both require the permission of the father.
- They both are intended for marriage.
- They are not “broken up” but are instead “called off”.
- When they are called off there is an inevitable rending of a community as one of the couple no longer feel comfortable spending time with the community of their ex-future spouse.
Young people are expected to jump from interacting with each other in groups straight into “pseudo-engagement”. This is a jump very few are prepared to make. The result is that a commitment to courtship is often a commitment to lifelong singleness.
Why the Courtship Divorce Rate is So High
Recently I have seen a spike in divorces amongst couples who courted. I have a few theories as to why this is. Young people whose parents often maintain veto power on all of their decisions are then expected to make this most important decision without any experience in good decision making. They have no context of who they are, past decision making or an idea of what they are looking for in a spouse.
How can you know what personality you fit well with if you only go out with one other person? The result can be a mismatched couple and a marriage that is difficult to sustain.
Right now all we have little research to go on in terms of the courtship divorce rate. In my observations, some homeschool communities have a much higher divorce rate than others. I would be very interested in seeing some research on this phenomenon. This blog post is my call for more research on the divorce rate amongst couples who “courted” before getting married.
Advantages of Traditional Dating
Less Temptation – It is hard to fall in love with Bob on Tuesday when you know you are going out for coffee with Bill on Thursday. This lack of emotional commitment leads to less physical temptation. Less temptation leads to less compromise. I have no idea how women are supposed to guard their hearts while in an exclusive relationship with the purpose of marriage.
More Interaction – I know many homeschool girls who are frustrated that they never get asked out on a date. It is not uncommon to find a 21 year old stay at home daughter who has never been asked out on a date. The reason for this is not because the girl is unattractive (although that may be the story she convinces herself of over time).
The real reason is that few guys are willing to ask permission from a woman’s father to marry her before being able to ask her out on a date to get to know her. Even when this permission is requested, it is unlikely to be given.
I know several godly, hardworking and attractive homeschool guys who have been rejected by as many as a dozen fathers. I respect their tenacity. Getting turned down by courtship fathers is tough on guys because the fathers are rarely gentle or kind. So if you are a courtship-minded girl wondering why the guys are not calling, you may want to ask your dad how many guys he has run off.
With Traditional Dating, asking a girl out on a date is no big deal. All the guy is asking to do is to get to know the girl better. Maybe this leads to a deeper relationship, maybe it doesn’t. Either way, the interaction is easier and more fun when it is not so intense.
Less Heartbreak – One of the promises of courtship is that it can lead to less heartbreak than dating. I laugh at this to keep myself from crying. This could not be further from the truth. Calling off a courtship can be as emotionally wrenching as calling off an engagement. It can take years to recover from a “failed courtship.” Also let’s not also forget the emotional cost for girls of not being asked out year after year and the emotional cost for guys of being rejected by father after father.
More Marriage – Let’s face it, most married people got married because they dated first. I would even submit that most homeschoolers who do get married supplemented with dating at some point in their journey. Courtship is not resulting in many marriages despite having been advocated by (sometimes unmarried) conservative leaders for nearly 20 years.
More Fun – The institution of marriage is crumbling. Of the last two generations, one won’t get married and the other won’t stay married. A smaller percentage of people are married in America than at any other time. Part of what helps perpetuate the institution of marriage is making the process of getting married fun. My grandmother made dating in her day sound really fun. Courtship on the other hand can be awkward and emotionally heartwrenching.
Dating also trains people to continue dating their spouse after they get married. It is important for married couples to be able to have fun with each other. The kind of parents who are the strongest advocates of courtship are often the ones who go on the fewest dates with each other.
More Matchmaking – Modern Courtship doesn’t really have a mechanism for matchmaking. How can there be blind dates if the man must first get permission from a father? Courtship relationships are so intense that even introductions can be awkward. I know many happily married couples who met through a blind date or an online matchmaking service like eHarmony. Matchmaking is a time-tested practice that Traditional Dating is fully compatible with. Courtship? Not so much.
More League Awareness – Not everyone has the same level of attractiveness, character, intelligence and wealth. Parents tend to see their own children through rose-colored glasses. Homeschool communities can be a bit like Lake Wobegon where all the children are above average. It is easy for “no guy to be good enough for daddy’s little princess”. The sad result of enforcing this mindset is a daughter who becomes a spinster. With traditional dating guys learn their league by finding out what girls say “yes” to that second date. Girls learn their league by seeing what kind of guys ask them out.
Responding to Common Questions & Objections to Traditional Dating
Why Not Just Spend Time in Groups?
If you talk with advocates of modern courtship they speak highly of single people spending time in groups. Group settings reduce the intensity, commitment and exclusivity and thus protect the hearts of single people.
The problem with group settings is that not all personality types open up in group settings. Many married couples include one spouse who is more comfortable in group settings than the other. These couples may have never found each other if they were limited to “group dating.”
In group activities, it can be hard for the wallflowers to be discovered for the flowers that they really are. They need a less intense 1-on-1 setting in which to bloom. Group settings are particularly rough on women who grew up in communities where they were trained to value submissiveness, meekness and quietness.
The other challenge with group settings is that they are logistically complex. The more people you add to the group, the harder coordination becomes. Where is a stay-at-home daughter who attends a small family integrated church supposed to find groups of young people to hang out with? The result of limiting interaction to group settings is many lonely nights interacting with no one.
But Isn’t Courtship Biblical?
When applying Scripture, particularly the Old Testament, to our lives, it is important to differentiate between Biblical precedent, principle and precept. Just because Jacob had two wives and a seven-year engagement does not mean that God wants all men to have two wives and seven-year engagements.
What we have in the Old Testament is a lot of precedent: each story is different from the last.
For precedents we have:
- the woman as the protagonist in the romance (Ruth & Boaz)
- the man as the protagonist in the romance (Jacob & Rachel)
- the romance arranged by a third party (Isaac & Rebekah)
- the woman entering the man’s harem (David & Abigail, Micah, Bathsheba etc.)
There are some good Scriptural precepts about sexual purity in the New Testament, and there are some principles about the benefits of marrying young and that sort of thing.
But the Bible is surprisingly quiet when it comes to laying out a system of courtship. Courtship Systems are cultural, and the Bible rarely advocates one cultural approach over another. God’s heart is that every tribe and tongue come worship him without having to surrender their food, language or other cultural distinctives in the process.
Most of the moral arguments for courtship are actually arguments for arranged marriage. The arguments for the strong involvement of parents fit arranged marriage much better than they fit courtship.
When I started PracticalCourtship.com, one of my goals was to never use the site to criticize arranged marriage. In countries like India, that have both arranged marriages and “love marriages,” the arranged marriages have the lower divorce rate. Arranged marriage has been used by many cultures for many years with good results.
The problem is that arranged marriage is not a good fit for western culture. Many Americans value individual liberty more than life itself. Giving this most important decision to someone else is not something many of us are comfortable with. Also, parents are often hesitant to arrange marriages lest their child resent them if the marriage turns out to be an unhappy one.
I don’t see Arranged Marriage taking off in Western Culture.
We need a system to help young people make good decisions. Fortunately, we have one: Traditional Dating.
Traditional Dating fits our culture like a glove. Most of Americans already intuitively know how it works because it is part of who we are as a people. If you don’t know how it works, ask your grandparents and they will tell you of the glory days when men were free. Watch the twinkle in their eye when they tell you of a time when men and women could fall in love and pick their own spouses.
Hasn’t Our Sexualized Culture Ruined Dating?
There is no denying that the media is far more sexually charged than it was when my grandparents were dating in junior high. Now while some of that is the media following culture (The Beatles sang about hand holding while hippies swapped STDs in the 60s), I do believe that media affects the culture. The question is how do we best respond to that culture.
The commitment, exclusivity and intensity of dating is what lead to temptation and compromise in the first place. Courtship makes the problem worse by increasing the commitment which intensifies the temptation. The advocates of courtship know this, which is why chaperones are so critical to the system.
The other problem with courtship is that it often delays marriage. Courtship communities expect young people to live celibate lives in a sexually charged culture for a decade or more before they get married. The Bible instructs us to flee temptation and to marry lest you burn with lust. Courtship teaches instead to delay marriage until you are ready.
I recently heard a local pastor complaining about a rash of older 20 something women in his church who had given up on finding prince charming. They started making physical compromises in an effort to attract a man. Once they gave up on courtship they just grabbed whatever the world was offering.
The benefit of traditional dating is that the lack of exclusivity reduces temptation. It also helps young people find out who they are and who they are looking for faster. Early marriage reduces the number of years a young person must resist sexual temptation through celibacy.
Finally, I should say this: Where sin abounds, grace abounds more. I understand Grace to be the power of God to do the will of God. The power of God is greater than the power of our sexualized culture. There is nothing new under the sun and no new temptation that is not already common to man. This is not the first time Christians have lived in a sexualized culture.
If you study history, you will find that this actually happens often. In each of those generations God provided a way out. I believe that for our generation that way is Traditional Dating.
Now Let’s Talk Some Specifics
Suggestions For Single Women
If you are a single woman, realize that the reason guys are not asking you out is NOT because you are unattractive. It is because you live in a system where he must want to marry you before he can get to know you. It is the system that is broken, not you. Beauty is in the eye of the beholder. Somewhere out there is a guy who will see you as the most beautiful woman in the world. The more guys you meet, the faster you will find him.
- If a Christian guy asks you out for dinner, say “yes”. You don’t need to love him to say yes to a first date.
- Be friendly. Give the guy hope that he has a chance with you. Coyness is not as attractive as the media makes it out to be.
- Don’t make him run a gauntlet before he can get to know you. Realize he is not asking to marry you when he asks if he can buy you dinner.
- Some guys are hidden gems and are more than meets the eye. Give him a chance to win your attention and to earn that second date.
- If you are not interested in a guy, let him down gently. There is a way to give a firm “no” to a guy without making him feel like a worm.
- Don’t call in your dad to scare him off unless he won’t take the hint. Your dad and his shotgun should be the last resort.
- Let the guy pay for dinner.
Suggestions for Single Men
- Start asking girls out. Most girls would love to be asked out and will say “yes” if you would just ask them.
- Realize that asking a girl out for dinner is not the same as proposing marriage.
- If she says you need to talk to her dad first, take the “no” for what it is and move on to the next woman. For a better explanation of this point see 7 Reasons I Recommend Avoiding Dragon Guarded Women.
- If you have been browbeaten by harsh courtship fathers, I feel your pain. Ask God to heal your heart and to give you the courage to try again. The tide is shifting. The leaders that those men used to justify their actions are quickly fading into the past. We are entering a kinder, gentler age. Who knows. Maybe the next girl you ask out could be the one.
- Get a job. Money makes you more attractive.
- Pay for dinner.
Suggestions for Both Single Men and Single Women
- Do what your grandparents did and go out on dates with lots of different people before going steady with any of them.
- Don’t marry the first person you have feelings for.
- Keep an eye out for public places where you can have private conversations.
- Find a church with lots of single people. There are still churches out there with a healthy culture of traditional dating. If no one in your church got married last year, don’t expect to break that trend. You can always move back to your parent’s church after you find your sweetheart.
- Have fun.
- Fear God.
Suggestions For Parents
- Try to make marriage attractive to your children by loving and respecting your spouse the best you can. One reason that your children may not be getting married is because they don’t want what you have in your marriage.
- Start dating your spouse again. Do whatever you can to make your marriage a happy one.
- Encourage your sons to ask girls out on dates.
- Allow your daughters to say yes to first dates from Christian guys you don’t know.
- As your children become adults, give advice instead of commands. Being a parent does not make you a Pope for another adult.
- The gentler you are in giving advice, the more it will be sought.
- Take a step back and trust God to guide your child directly.
- Pray earnestly and persistently for your child.
- Encourage your children to find their way to places where they can meet other single people.
- Don’t force your daughters to stay at home. Let them get out into the world where they can meet godly men. If you want to catch a fish you must first walk to the pond.
- Remember that gentleness and kindness are fruits of the Spirit.
- Treat the person interested in your child as a fellow brother or sister in Christ.
How to Talk With Your Folks About Courtship
Share this post with your parents and talk to with them about why courtship is flawed and why you are going to start going out on dates.
The older you are, the easier this conversation will be. I find that even the most controlling parents start to mellow out as their single daughters start entering their 30s. That biological clock waits for no man, even Prince Charming. It will help when their friends start bragging about their grandchildren.
Listen to them as they share the mistakes they made while dating. Listen to their story of how they fell in love. Just remember that every romance is different and your story will be different. Just because your parents got divorced or live in an unhappy marriage does not doom you to their fate.
Realize that many of their rules were created out of fear. They are afraid that you will suffer the same way they did when they were your age.
Don’t forget that they love you. Explain to them that you all want the same thing: for you to be happily married.
Explain that courtship is not helping you become happily married. Courtship leads to singleness more often than it leads to marriage.
If all else fails, play the grandchildren card. Most parents want grandchildren. Try to explain that if they want grandchildren you need to get married and courtship is not helping you do that.
Where do we go from here?
Share this post with your community on Facebook and Google+ to continue the conversation. My hope is that as single people start embracing traditional dating we can restore the fun first date to our culture. The more people who read this post the more guys that will start asking girls out and the more girls who will say “yes” to that first date.
Tweetables:
- The Greatest Generation was encouraged to date and discouraged from going steady in middle school. (Click to Tweet)
- The courtship movement eliminated dating and replaced it with nothing. (Click to Tweet)
- The only tangible difference between an engagement and a courtship is the ring and the date. (Click to Tweet)
- A commitment to courtship is often a commitment to lifelong singleness. (Click to Tweet)
- Most of the moral arguments for courtship are actually arguments for arranged marriage. (Click to Tweet)
- Being a parent does not make you a Pope for another adult. (Click to Tweet)
- The benefit of traditional dating is that the lack of exclusivity reduces temptation. (Click to Tweet)
- When applying Scripture, it is important to differentiate between precedent, principle and precept. (Click to Tweet)
What do you think?
If I have learned one thing running PracticalCourtship.com, it is that courtship is very controversial. Even the definition of the word sparks a debate. That is fine. I am happy to see your thoughts and opinions in the comments. A few requests for the comments:
- Keep the conversation civil. No name calling. Just because you were hurt in the past is no excuse to hurt others in the future.
- Keep the conversation humble. Bragging about how this is not a problem in your family is not very helpful.
- Please read the follow up article before posting comments. I may have already addressed your question in the Q&A post.
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Brilliant.
this is a great article and very timely for me. I know a great young man who is being hurt right now by a father who refuses to let him spend time with his twenty-one year old daughter.
This article is fantastic!!! I am 20 years old and have never been asked on a date, not because my dad took on this type of view (that a guy must ask him first before asking me out), at least not to my knowledge, but because, honestly, I’m a pretty shy person. I have been working on it over the past few years, especially after graduating from high school, but it is very discouraging when there are not a lot of single guys around to learn to interact with, along with the fact that many single guys do not want to interact with me for whatever reason. I understand it is neither just my or just their fault but more of how life is for some people. This article does give me hope, though, and I’m just going to take the advice, especially of going out more, to heart in order to see things change for the better. In the meantime, I believe God has allowed me to stay single in order to teach me some things ; His timing is best. C.S. Lewis said it best: “…I am sure that God keeps no one waiting unless He sees that it is good for him to wait. ” God will bring Mr. Right along when the timing is right!
I will not say that some of your observations don’t have merit, however to think that trading one “system” for another will produce any different results is unreasonable. I am probably your parent’s age. I have been married many years, but I know many, many couples who “dated” that divorced….we were, after all, the start of the 50% divorce generation. I also know many couples who courted who are in loving , committed marriages. I am not promoting courting, but I don’t think that “just” doing whatever the latest “do this and life will be perfect” list is…no matter what it is….guarantees anything. A long marriage, or a marriage at all, depends on many variables that are just that: varied. Life is an experiment, not a formula.
I would like to say that I really enjoyed this post and agreed with a lot of the points made. With that said, there were a couple of things that I didn’t necessarily agree with. My husband and I have been married for over two years. While I grew up in the home school/courtship culture, we did not court. We both casually dated a couple of other people before beginning our relationship, but we were each others first serious relationship.
So, here’s my two cents. 1.) I don’t necessarily think that you have to date a lot of people before you know what you want or what type of person you want to spend the rest of your life with. 2.) I think that going out with a different guy each day of the week is like stuffing different foods in your mouth simultaneously and expecting to know which is your favorite. By dating several people at once, one date can often run into another.
Furthermore, in this type of dating environment there is high pressure to perform. There’s high value placed on being interesting or entertaining, instead of on seeing the other person for who they really are and deciding whether it’s a relationship worth pursuing. Just because Johnny isn’t as interesting on dates as Billy doesn’t mean that he isn’t of equal or even superior marriage material.
When I was 18 I dated a guy who was open about having dates scheduled for the week with other girls, and personally it just didn’t make me feel special. At first I thought, “ok, no worries,” but as things progressed I felt more like I was just filling his social calender. When he would call to ask me out I’d wonder if it was because he really wanted to get to know me better or if he was board with someone else. At that stage I wasn’t wanting serious commitment. What I wanted was to go on casual dates, get to know the other person better, and have them take the time to get to know me for me instead of comparing me to five other girls.
For this reason I’m more of an advocate of going on casual “getting to know you” kind of dates with one person at a time until you decide ultimately whether a relationship is worth pursuing. I know that with exclusivity comes temptation, but if you are of marriage age and you take the relationship slow, I don’t think there are any serious problems with this. My husband and I went out with small groups of friends initially and got to know each other better that way. Later we went on a a couple of dates and then we decided that we wanted to be in a relationship. We got married after being together for three years, we both were pure upon marriage, and we have a great relationship built on honesty and open communication.
I’m not saying that my husband and I are perfect nor that the way we did things is the only way. What I am saying is that I think it worked well for us. While I didn’t think courtship was a good idea, dating lots of people wasn’t really my speed either; so, I found myself somewhere in between. I guess I’m writing just to give a slightly different perspective. 🙂
Thank you so much for this article. As someone brought up in the “courtship culture”, this perfectly expresses all of the problems I have with it.
This is amazing!! I was raised with this garbage being pushed down my throat, and it’s so refreshing to hear a Christian be able to disagree and form an argument civilly! Thank you:)
I wasn’t homeschooled, but my early relationship with my husband did follow more of a courtship pattern. I had only ever had 2 boyfriends before we meet, and both were brief. I had only been on dates with 2 others. Our first kiss for either one of us was at our wedding.
Everything seemed perfect for the first year of our marriage, but then things got harder and harder. We just had our 11th anniversary and nearly got divorced a few weeks beforehand. We’ve discovered since deeply damaging personal history in marriage counseling, but I often wonder if things would have been different if we had approached marriage differently.
I went to Bible college and the relationship atmosphere there was definitely one of courtship rather than dating. Everyone had marriage on the brain. It led not only to forced exclusivity, but also a lot of stress and feeling wireless if you weren’t “chosen”. The father’s weren’t in the picture as much since we were all away from home, but there was a lot of pressure to choose the right person ” before ” you went on a date. We had the benefit of all living on close quarters (500 students in a tiny campus), so we knew each other better than homeschoolers would.
Of course, I didn’t get chosen, and feel for a guy I met online. It put even more pressure on us since we were long distance and he didn’t fly up to meet me until we were practically engaged. I tired down a lot of doubts because we were so invested in the relationship and no one else was praying me any attention.
If I had dated for fun, I probably would have meet someone locally that I liked and was compatible with.
The friends from highschool who followed a more traditional dating pattern seen like they’re pretty happy with their spouses.
I commend you for addressing this issue in a rational and objective manner. It seems to me that courtship is an extension of over parenting allowing parents to exert control over their young adult children. As a parent and grandparent, it is my role to encourage and support my children and grandchildren not to decide for them.
This is fantastic. Thank you so much for writing this article. I jumped on the courtship train when I was in high school too and was sorely disappointed not only in my “failed courtship” but also to have grown up and been thrown into the dating–or lack thereof–culture that has resulted. All of this really needed to be said. Thank you!!!
This is a very clear minded, well written article! I have just one question.
In your post, you mentioned the high divorce rate of married couples who courted instead of dated. Maybe I missed it, but I never saw a specific amount given for divorced courtship couples. Is there a website that has the statistics of courtship couples who divorce?
I too had this same question. What are the actual divorce rates among couples who court vs. couples who don’t. I am curious if there is even a large enough sample size to properly understand the statistics once we find them.
Wow! I learned so much new information from this post. I was raised to date rather than court, so I didn’t know how it worked. I was very surprised by the “don’t date the same guy” rule, but it makes so much sense! I’m 21, married, and expecting my first child in 3 months, and I’m already thinking ahead to this stage of parenthood. Thank you so much for the information, and congrats on the clear, concise, and kind delivery. I hope more people who want to be married will find this and adopt your practical advice. Carry on with your ministry to the evangelicals! (Just to be clear, I am a Christian—was raised Christian—and proudly claim to be part of the evangelical community, which is why I know that we often just repeat things, like “courtship is good, dating is bad,” without actually examining the evidence. So this info and advice is a good ministry to those mistaken ideas.)
I have been happily married for 27 years now. When I was younger and even in early high school, all of us kids were encouraged to just hang out together in groups, to be in extra curricular activities together, and visit each other’s church groups with their families. We got to know each other well with no thoughts of dating yet. It was safe and pressure free. Different kids got together at different times for different activities, so you met different people. No large groups to coordinate, just learning how to be friends first. When I did finally start dating as I got older, it was far easier to navigate the waters. I was trying to be a friend first with no pressure to where it may or may not lead.
It might not work in every instance, but it kept me on a firm footing.
I am impressed with how informed and kind this article is! As one who did read and subscribe to I Kissed Dating Goodbye, I did eventually see that courtship carried way too much pressure with it. I agree with your assessments. Courtship is setting oneself up for heartbreak: “We already think we want to get married. Let’s see if we’re wrong.” It isn’t really concerned about compatibility: “If the person you are courting is as godly as your observations made you assume, then you marry him/her and if you aren’t that compatible, tough cookies, suck it up and stay married, like almost strangers do in arranged marriages. You can do it, because love is a choice!”
Right on, right on, right on!!!!!!! Thank you for light on a darkening subject:-)
As a pastor and father of 7 (4 girls) I see your point, but I think you have neglected something; the will of God. God was able to provide a spouse for every other Christian in days gone by, and He hasn’t changed. I will certainly prayerfully consider your article, but I’m not sure I am ready to abandon courting. Also, you failed to point out the possible (and more likely) reason for the high divorce rate is cultural influence that its ok when traditional families that practice courting would not likely agree with divorce. Lastly, the view of the father as an ogre you seem to have is not always the case and seldom in keeping with traditional views of God. God is not a cruel mean tyrant waiting to drop the hammer of justice, but a loving guiding Father who seeks the best for His children and protects them at all costs. Too many times the child doesn’t want to be protected and thinks they know better than the Father. This is never true of God and seldom true of a Godly father.
Thanks. As the father of three young ladies, this speaks right to my heart. We are not courtship advocates but I certainly kept a ‘dad with shotgun’ mentality before reading this. My wife and I will be discussing this.
In my impressionable teenage years, I really latched onto the courtship idea, coupled with the idea of “The One,” which is truly a lethal combination. As I read lists of what godly ladies should look for in a man, I can honestly say I usually hit all the things on the list, yet I’m 28 and I’m single. Over the course of my life, I’ve only attempted to pursue two women. Part of it was waiting for a chorus of angels to announce the arrival of “The One.” The other part of it is a side effect of having to basically decide you are going to marry someone before initiating pursuit: it can take a long time to recover.
Neither of those relationships ever got off the ground. For the first one, I talked to her father, he talked to her, and then he relayed her lack of interest to me. The second one I asked to coffee. She obliged me, and at the end of the date, nicely informed me she was not interested in initiating that type of relationship with me.
Due to the ridiculous levels of emotional commitment I thought were right and necessary to get to that point, I literally spent years recovering from each one. Some of it was recovering from the hurt and taking apart what I had spent months or years building up emotionally. The other part of it was moving past Denial to Acceptance (“maybe she still really is “The One” and will change her mind later”).
I’m glad that you’re writing this. I’ve been busy lately figuring out that you are right the hard way. I wish that people who had influence over me in my teenage years would have been saying what you’re saying now, and that I would have had the wisdom to believe them. I hope other people can be saved from similar troubles.
Please write a book. This blog post is amazing. I though I kissed dating goodbye was such a great book. I consequently rejected dating and am still single. A challenge needs to be made to that book. I has such sway over youth and is totally unchallenged. I think this thoughtful, insightful and real blog needs to be expanded into a book. You have the grace and background to write it. Thanks so much for posting.
There is another book that I started and like it so far…contradicts I Kissed Dating Goodbye in a very balanced and spirit-led way. It is called Boundaries in Dating.
thank you. I got my first clue that there was something wrong with the courtship movement from the Townsend/Cloud book “Boundaries for Dating.” So much healthier. People are looking for a formula instead of being open to what God has for them.
Ah, yes. There you have it already.
Interesting read and I agree on many points. However, dating as you describe it only works for the girl if she gets asked on dates. I longed all through high school to be asked out. I was a nice, attractive, fun, and somewhat shy girl. But I didn’t get asked on a date until my second year of college, and then not again until my senior year. Obviously I would have liked to have been asked out more but it just didn’t happen, and it wasn’t because boys needed permission from my dad. But throughout that whole time I learned a lot about myself, discovered my interests and talents, and became a little more outgoing. The traditional dating culture as you describe it sounds fun, but like I said, it doesn’t work for girls who don’t get asked out. Either way, I think if girls make wise choices and do what feels right for them, it will work out!
Thank you so much for posting this! It is indeed a very controversial subject. And, I completely agree with your points. I have many friends/family that subscribe to the idea of courtship…some of which has been successful…some of which…not so much. Thank you for explaining your points in such a logical and easy to read format. All for Jesus!!
Nicely written. I was never in the whole “I Kissed Dating Goodbye” scene but I knew a lot of kids who were when I got saved at 18. I’m not sure how I feel about everything you said about dating given our current cultural context but it’s definitely something to think on for a bit. When my wife and I were dating it was kind of a blend between dating/going-steady and courting (from how you described it) and we just celebrated our 7th anniversary by God’s grace.
I’ll be sure to recommend this to some of my friends and family members that might be well served to read this. Thanks for posting!
Fascinating article. Clearly a lot of thinking has gone into it, and some excellent opints have been made. I do have a few comments.
1. I am surprised such a thorough article should present Traditional Dating based on ideas from the author’s grandmother. That’s it? Date around? A common practice in the “greatest generation”, and you can see this in Emily Post and all the etiquette columnists of the day, was the chaperone. All kinds of social settings, events, and group sizes, even just a few people, could get together and do activities as long as someone, even an older sibling was there to make sure temptation didn’t win. And yes, you can get to know someone that way. Most of those enduring marriages did just that. And of course, Dad could say, “I don’t want you hanging around Billy.” Parents often are a good judge of character. Mine certainly were, though they gave me much freedom. I am amazed you did not address this central idea from an earlier, and much more innocent, time.
2. We encouraged, but didn’t force, our children to court. It worked out fine. As adults, they felt more free to do occasional “just two” dates. Generally, however, they adhered to good sound rules to guard their purity. Young men asked me (Dad) for permission to see the girls. I don’t think I ever said “No.”
3. All the marriages we know from more intentional, and some would say controlling courtship situations (Yeah, first kiss at the wedding, etc) have all turned out quite well. No divorces…close families. Anything can be abused, and I’m sure that happens in very insular groups. I haven’t seen these sad things among those I know who practice courtship. Just lots of love…a rather mature love.
4. I don’t think the author sufficiently accounts for the huge cultural change regarding sexuality between his grandmother’s time and now.
We don’t want our children to suffer a string of broken hearts. Yet you make some very good points.
It is just that in our culture, it seems like a girl that would go out with anyone who asked (as long as he was a Christian) would be looked at as a player, flirtacious, a gad-about, or even loose. Probably a man that asked out several women would be looked at in the same way. We are used to exclusive relationships, for better or for worse.
I’m just encouraged that my 19 year old son just informed me that he is going to hang out at the county fair with a girl. (This hasn’t happened at our house before, though we are not those controling parents.)